How is Tony Stark a likable character considering he has screwed over his team countless times?(YOUR-MOVIE-WORLD) - YOUR_MOVIE_WORLD

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Tuesday, June 5, 2018

How is Tony Stark a likable character considering he has screwed over his team countless times?(YOUR-MOVIE-WORLD)

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It's this a troll question?

Alright, I’ll bite. Let’s go through this chronologically, shall we?

Avengers Assemble: Tony saves Cap’s life against Loki, and Cap spends the next half of the movie looking down on him like a jock stereotype. Tony then risks his own life restarting the helicarrier’s rotor, then risks his own life again delaying Loki alone while the others get there, then wrestles a live nuke into outer space, fully expecting to die from it, in order to save the Avengers and a city of strangers. Oh, and this is all after SHIELD tried to screw him over in Iron Man II and made their contempt for his character clear, obvious and official.
Age of Ultron: This is going to take several paragraphs.
  • To begin with, Tony has been bankrolling the Avengers, personally maintaining their gear and presumably handling the economic, juridical and PR downfall of their operations for a year now, ever since Cap decided governmental oversight was too mainstream for them back in Winter Soldier. This must have cost him millions, for which he receives (and demands) no compensation of any form. In fact the Avengers don’t even appear to be grateful to him at any point in this movie or any other.
  • We know he has been struggling with PTSD for three years, ever since the Chitauri attack. His team doesn’t seem to know or care about this.
  • He is then mind-raped by Wanda, who deliberately plays on his anxiety and his disproportionate sense of responsibility to make him irrational. Under that influence, he and Banner begin creating a system that would allow the deployment of the Iron Legion for global defense. This is a very good idea. They decide to integrate the scepter into this system since it could be a strong asset and, you know, recent mind rape. However, through no fault of their own and before they had even created a functional interface for the future system, a freak accident causes the nascent program to go haywire, evolve far beyond anything Tony and Bruce could possibly account for and become Ultron.
  • The Avengers react by heaping blame on Tony exclusively, even after he explains that he is in fact innocent of any wrongdoing, and even though none of them have the beginnings of the shadow of a clue about the science involved. They — particularly Cap, but not only him — spend the rest of the movie treating Tony like a criminal and/or condescending to him with stupid, nonsensical one-liners like “Every time someone tries to win a war before it starts, innocents die.” (Because they don’t if you wait for the war to start? Cap should cut his tongue off before uttering such stupidity again.) Also, Bruce is never blamed on anyone, for whatever reason.
    • By the way, what do you think happened in Infinity War? Cap got what he wanted, Tony stopped trying to win the war before it started. Then the war did start. And innocents died. Thanos would almost certainly have lost if a corrected Ultron protocol — which can be created easily, as proven by Vision — had been in place.
    • Oh, and also, by the way, keep in mind that by this point Cap has known for a year that HYDRA killed Tony’s parents, and never told him. Meanwhile, he’s there complaining about Tony not telling him things. Go screw yourself, Rogers.
  • When Tony and Bruce try to make good on the wrong they are being falsely blamed for and create Vision, Cap, and Thor, on the word of Wanda — Wanda, who mind-raped both Tony and Bruce within the last week, was plotting with Ultron literally five minutes earlier and is more responsible for the current crisis than anyone else in the Universe — physically attack them, a super soldier and a god against two regular scientists. Vision wakes up and within five minutes they trust him more than Tony because he lifted a hammer.
    • On that note, Mjolnir: why is this dumb lump of steel (?) being used as the moral compass of the Universe in Age of Ultron? That thing was enchanted by Odin, who as Ragnarok revealed is a genocidal warlord who deals with his mistakes by denying their existence. What right does he have to pass judgment by proxy on the man who carried a nuke into space for the sake of complete strangers? If Tony isn’t “worthy,” then who is, and why should anyone care what Mjolnir thinks about the topic?
  • After the movie, Tony resigns from the Avengers — or at least from field duty — because he feels pathologically guilty over the Ultron crisis, even though objectively he has nothing to blame himself for. Needless to say, he handles all the associated costs. I doubt anyone on the team even tried to defend him, publicly or from himself.
  • Meanwhile, the Avengers immediately and unanimously take in Wanda. This is days after she mind-raped Tony into creating Ultron, mind-raped Bruce into leaving Earth forever, and almost destroyed all of humankind by working with Ultron. Their rationale: Cap thinks she’s “just a kid.” (Spoiler alert: she’s not.) They don’t seem to care at all about the pain she caused Tony and Bruce, not to mention hundreds of innocents in Sokovia and Johannesburg. They don’t ask the relevant governments what they think about it, of course. Tony accepts this, because what else could he do? Evidently, he doesn’t hold the mind-rape against her in the long term, since he’s desperate to protect her in Civil War.
  • Naturally, even after he’s resigned, Tony keeps funding and supporting the Avengers. Naturally, they take that for granted and never thank him for it.
Speaking of Civil War. Other several paragraphs…
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  • The Avengers make a horrible mess in Lagos because Wanda doesn’t control her powers adequately. As in AoU, she is never confronted or punished by anyone for this, even though any cop or fireman or soldier in her position would be. Instead, the whole team, including Tony (who handles the downfall again), is unfailingly supportive against the evil, stupid governments.
  • Said evil, stupid governments have finally had enough of this bunch of amateurs running around doing whatever they want whenever they feel like it as if the law was something that happens to other people. They write up the Sokovia Accords, a legal document signed by 117 countries that as far as we know only seeks to put the Avengers under UN oversight, so they can finally be held accountable when they screw up.
  • Tony supports this, of course. He relates deeply to the consequences of Avenger screw-ups, because even though he actually hasn’t caused any he still feels like he did, and also he probably has the most comprehensive view of what those screw-ups imply since he pays for everything. He gets blamed for this, of course, both in-universe and out. There are several problems here:
    • First off, the Accords were a good thing, and the Avengers have no right to impose their actions on sovereign countries and then bugger off and let said sovereign countries (or, you know, Tony) deal with the aftermath. Cap claims they can police themselves, but evidently they can’t or don’t.
    • More importantly, the Accords were not Tony’s idea. They were also not optional. The Accords were 117 countries saying, “This is how it works now.” The Avengers don’t get to negotiate with them over it. They are not an equal party in this exchange. They are, from a juridical point of view, random people with no job. They have no legitimacy whatsoever to discuss the law with state actors. If they go against the Accords, they are criminals, and that’s that. Tony, contrary to Team Cap, realized this basic fact and was trying to get on the good side of the Accords so he could be in a better position to make the amendments he might deem necessary at a later date.
  • When Cap goes above the law to “rescue” his precious Bucky, violently disabling several innocent policemen, causing gross public and private property damage and probably wounding many bystanders along the way, it’s yet again Tony who has to deal with the consequences. Except for this time he can’t, because the Accords are law. He tries his absolute best to protect Cap and Falcon from their own idiocy, but they refuse to cooperate and be brought down to the legal level of normal people with responsibilities. Worse, when Bucky escapes, they take the opportunity to disappear with him instead of bringing him back in, which would literally have solved all the problems in the rest of the movie. Congrats, they’re officially international criminals now.
  • Meanwhile, Tony is also trying his absolute best to protect Wanda — who doesn’t deserve any of it — from the public outrage she caused. He keeps her in a luxurious suite with her closest friend/boyfriend / whatever, who details to her how bad her situation is and how helpful it would be to everyone including herself if she just stayed put for a week or so until Tony can smooth things over. To her credit, she is nearly convinced by this elementary logic, but Cap sends Hawkeye to extract her, and she then assaults Vision with her powers and runs away. Congrats, she’s officially an international criminal too.
    • Incidentally, Cap pulled Hawkeye into this mess after he had retired and was living peacefully with his family. I doubt he had any idea of the Accords’ existence, let alone of their content. Falcon did this to Ant-Man too. And yet people complain about Tony and Peter.
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  • Tony and his team then intercept Team Cap at that German airport. He tries to reason with them one last time, but they stubbornly refuse to cooperate once again, for no clear reason beyond “I’m Captain America, I know better than everyone else!” Fed up at long last, Tony fights Team Cap to arrest them for their crimes as an agent of the law and wins, but in the process, Rhodey — Tony’s best friend since long before the Avengers were even an idea — is crippled for life.
  • After their arrest, Tony visits Team Cap in jail. He is clearly appalled by their treatment, but they brought it squarely upon themselves. Naturally, they blame him instead, as though he were the one who wrote the legitimate law they stupidly violated or the one who decided of the punishment they richly earned. Naturally, Tony being Tony, he agrees with their delusional, self-serving assessment of his responsibility and feels guilty about it.
  • He is finally given Cap’s evidence against Zemo, which could have been provided at any point prior to that, thereby bypassing all the problems in the latter half of the movie. Because he feels unjustifiably guilty about the mess Team Cap made, he works around Ross — thereby risking his own legal status — and goes to help Cap in Siberia ASAP.
  • The rest is history. I won’t claim that Tony’s reaction to the footage of Bucky murdering his parents was logically sound, but it was far more emotionally understandable than any of Team Cap’s bullshit throughout the movie, and Cap himself richly deserved that punch in the jaw for not telling Tony this little detail for two entire years. Then again, he never did trust or value Tony for anything, really.
  • Aftermath: Team Tony is crippled in its ability to defend the Earth. Team Cap is crippled in its ability to do anything. Any amendment of the Accords to make them more tractable to the Avengers is suddenly nigh-impossible because that would make sovereign states look like they’re submitting to Steve Rogers’ whims, and the Avengers have lost much of whatever public support they still had. It is the worst possible outcome, beyond Zemo’s wildest dreams, and it is all squarely Team Cap’s fault.
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That brings us to Infinity War. In IW, Tony is the only Avenger to make no gross, glaring mistake in defense of the Earth. The war happens and innocents die, mostly because of a crippling lack of preparation and cooperation with the government, both of which are purely and entirely the fault of Captain America and his supporters.
So, really, it’s more like the team screwed Tony over countless times.

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